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Wednesday 24 January 2001 - Holocaust Memorial Day - Tape 1

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Accession Number	V00127
Date	24th January 2001
Length	02:47:40
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Transcript	Williams. Cool. You see? Get the assistant. It's still a X. The toxicity finished with this? Yes, I'm full. She should be set. The one but three days. Let me introduce you. This is a major Williams. My, You're Gilliam's. You know, General, in thing where you liberated Auschwitz, Nigel Williams was else in Bergen dollars. Condemn it then. L she's you know it's coming. No mortar used required here. What? The Korean or leave? You were a child your age You're going to do later. Twenty for the time. No for you The voice. I was older than you. So just eighteen want to see you watching me. I never Yeah, that's Do you have much experience too? Well with the wall move. A terrible war eventually opened by me and the bolo just never know Resource locked in my freshly It isn't. No, we have. I think that it was the wall that should never have happened so much that the beloved Katerina does not love you. Remember that They did, and we have survived had no but nasties official it wasn't upto us know that they no, really, really Sheila beach wearing here. There were other forces that determined with politicians? No. All that is good, Russell. So look out. Yeah, what you may be doing, The wheelchair was right beside him. You know I can't do my chocolate. Never. One will do. The new stylist, you mean. Okay, Ben, please. Over there. Oh, yeah. You ready? Who is this? A joke. It's just that this picture from English Journal what is it you soothe? Fifty years ago, You get you get you on my way to Auschwitz was a very hard Charlotte Sorrow model. First hole in nineteen. Forty two. Yeah. Come on. The way home, I was the commander. Well, so would you. She thought you really deliberated six hundred jizz. Really? Here askew. Hungarian. What brought you here? You killed some Berries. You carrying jews that were taken by for you referees Works for a robot. You know that big ranches toe wass you put our hume so that's going out of me. Good. Budge off the main dig trenches, would you? Are you don't you battle noises? War for us, he kills. That was one of the most barbaric things that Hitler dead Di show Yet commanders, You usually in judge off the division in Ukraine. Also, you new boy for horn swab. I liberated a small town. Offs levelled? Yeah, because Elsa spiritually consolidated you little toe with special concentration. Come here. Is it you see, You don't know when you start right in, boy. Please. Yeah. You know, some asking. You know where they destroyed those one year fashion. So what happened? Thank you very much for chilling memories. Indeed. And also memories shared by Major Richard Williams, twenty four. You were sent to Belsen just after the job decided to surrender the camp? Yes. We didn't know exactly what to expect. That because Elif heard Wasit was a camp on DH conditions typhus and typhoid. When we arrived at the camp went in through the above our gateway on board the SS on the right hand side with some German troops. Also, it was a horrible sight when you just opened your eyes. And remember this my remembrances in colour. All television things were in black and white in those days. The camp itself was a massive off. Why around the outside, inside as well the ground was playing brown blade. No, the inmates are desperate. People were in the camp in their uniforms. Project. This is the man inside, alone in the stripes. Uniforms on the ground everywhere. Hang on some trying to crawl from trying to walk. They're just falling down. Just a of those memories are more than fifty years old, but still just a minute. Yes, I wish I could have the artistic ability to put that first impression into hi because of something. Wishes indelible in my mind will never go away on Holocaust. Memorial Days is partly about remembering the past, trying to change it away the future as well. Do you see this is a positive step. I think this Memorial Day has bean longer with you. They should have been done much sooner after the end of the war. When they can't know a ll the horrors that are committed by the Nazis, we will have a battle memory of etiquette. People's minds are goingto survivors from the camps. I know, But in Belsen first night, over seven hundred people died on course. Belson wasn't on extermination camp. Department of Labour camp. It was originally built house. Don't Jewish technicians, businessman, doctors, dentists, accountants. That's all. I'm never going to be exchanged for foreign currency exchange for well, no marks. Trees were being turned overseas somewhere. Thank you very much. Major Williams and general trickery. Thank you both for joining us this morning and now back to you. Yeah. So you sure? Oh, which is that Me? I think it's just sure. Yeah, right. Be just You were just some lonely in place. Just a couple of lines if you told me about the level about the volume that we told you. So we're just We're just looking at the general. We've got something like that. If you're however you're comfortable without just hope it's fine. It doesn't need to be right. Okay. You This is when you put it to you. Yes. With Chuck A group? Yes. You're very, very well. You Did she just move you a little dick? Something. Your reflection. This is for the centre itself. Yeah. Offensive way. Spoke out here about more general recollections. Could could The general talked to me about his first impression. I went to the case. It's time. French recovery option. A plastic pitcher cleaning monitor with concrete mascots with specially asked me in some stupid movie with Russia. Prof. Pitcher, please your mom was cause I from my appear appreciated. I tell you, my first impression was long. What was the floor she has thought Here it was. The war actually struck me twenty four hours. Well, that's you, Rosa. Emilia. The Russian troops for free. So he always used to be one. The victory of the fascist era. Leon. More, more, more English. Even if we have to wait longer for more for okay. Could you would you remember a few things? You cheat you near your foot slowly. Qatar Because Elijah, Bill or GM surely So whether a kilometre it happened After the Sylvia time liberated the camp, which was a very big side. It was about forty a thousand square metres. It was enormous. All studies where there was a museum commander, Would you be? Yeah. Oh, yeah. How was Madrid started three days ago, or St Anselm Ski Consular immunity. I left my deputy in charge and there weren't actually to have a long what this place is like. Dash it. Oh, yeah. Progresso shows more feeling you sold your scum Well, some toe on slider. I left my car and actually walked down the street. You several. Holy Barack was a very big place in the streets and the barracks were everywhere. Yeah. Video, literal Also. Georgiana musical Pretoria. Still journey. Cardoso got so a lot of liberated prisoners every soldier liberated them over your money. And so I kiss them. Come here to report for duty. He thought that a year. So, yeah, there's no union reason. A lot of people approached me and express their gratitude for liberating them for giving him a chance to live. Look, honey, it's your show. Don't say this very well. Would you choose? That's all. Boo Squat Also, John The so courage Only for Raro. What new show, Rayna with squad you bushes coterie for she's Molly is a logical Tim cook, you church! And then I approached the actual aim off my visit. It was a big warehouse filled with the things that fascist kept their which survived the fire and everything. There were things that fascist stripped off the people who actually we're going to be murdered. Yes, because early you should thank you. It's cool, though, but what's a Jerry? No, He went to see Emily get a chimp region visually, his con slider. What when you're started. Watts, It's him. You spoke home your stolen jeep. There used to be twenty nine warehouses, Big warehouses like that full of things like that. But obviously Germans managed to burn down twenty seven of them before they were kicked out of this camp. So three of them remained. What was the general shocked? What he found will be a Shakira. Go, Dobie Gillis, for they are real. To Madonna. Yes. Cue me. Watch me. He is taking me. Whose mine? Cuban. But units come in when that so skilled cases for the glasses and the usually leave boot. But I just couldn't believe it. You really tacky much. So what he tells you when you start writing I said your children possibly murdered by jury. It's just too much to achieve what they wanted to achieve. This is just too much. Yeah, years. So you see, when you start really saw you fees, you should thank you, Lola Jensen, But highly contentious. Jim, You poor says it's like your middle children who was human. Three, four, seven years old. You had, um, a notion thrown on. And I was greatly touched and very much shocked by it. Misha was familiar for a Z. Uh huh. That way our only you transcript Willow's on what struck me. Even Mohr was enormous. Bundle off women's hand. You're so I was not sure, did you land? Scare will say, You know what? That was like. They said So it's really so because your innovation. And I asked them, What does it mean? All these hair? And they told me that it was the hair that Hitler's soul just shaped off the murdered women. They're already dead. Euro school culture, not speaker, is not only your storage engine suburb, but we are only what a tube. What war was that would amaze you. Would you? Do you sure take a child stores so similiar? Spicy? I asked them, How many women do you need to murder toe? Get such enormous bottle of hair? And they said, Well, this is just a small part. There's lots more. Yeah. Uh, what did it through here? Slug it out? No, you You boilers belong balloon yet, kid. What? Every approach here. Arching billa throat? No, While a swell spot ridge. There was a lot of hair blonde and brunette and red hair and I just could not look at it without crying. It was very, very moving by Ciba. Thank you very much. Book You? Yeah, sure, But, um on your cell What's the score? Only you believe you can we use. Or Brazil He's put also Narada. What now? Shall we need some were concerned I wrote about this in the small described the way General, you should stop. Yes, there. Uh but if Dinitz why would she talk with you? Gonna sermons again? Born. He's so small. What? You're sweet. You these jurors I had to open slide English person reads this fall. Yes. You should get pieces just over there. Was it him? This appalling three Charmy you This's came Muj for long. Like you. McHugh is museum. Thanks Notes for Daniel When you You are fortunate here, Petey Region in school I translated from when you talk to him. He the gorgeous with stop captain of time. We went to develop. I was a twenty for time. Any information we had about the camp was what German senior officer who comes through on the white flag to our front mind it was it was a camera in our way the advance into Germany. Medical conditions, typhus, typhoid? Which would you mind looking? Maybe June natural into your past? Right? These pictures presumably bring quite vivid memories for unfortunate yes, talk to orchestrate. As you can see here they are emaciated. He was even familiar uniforms. You see the bundles lying about they quite often to see the people who could move changing their uniforms, thinking that something better on the floor was better. They were very what they're looking at here, trying to find the lice which were biting him. A lot of these people, just country dysentery, was very prevalent. All the toilets, something's in the hearts of being blocked up. There would be no water supply there for about two weeks on DH. But there was no sanitation, basically at all. And yet people were surviving. They were able to get up some of the more ground. Others who tried to walk and grab the Bab y just hung that stayed on diet. Others just collapsed on dying, just a bundle on the floor. But it was the colour of the ground. It was not a blade of grass anywhere, amount above while is fantastic. Every hospital about around it. On the house, the prisoners invites all the bells. They would always be out of a containment bloggers for some time because they spent all over the grounds on it was just, uh when I went around with the S s car taking me around to the kitchens, it was a matter of just We have to pick a way through. Those are lying on the ground, someone able to raise their heads. Look at you about others just gone beyond it. But in many parts of people, how they survived that far because we don't know because they had the same treatment, right? Went through E because you were just twenty four. Twenty four. I have seen death before on the way up from the beach. To do that, I landed on the evening of the day. Battle scars, carnage on everyone. So today's gas problems, but didn't show anything like we saw him. The numbers are so big. I mean, it must have been two or three thousand lying dead all over the camp. Inside the water goes outside of the general areas on DH on the women's. We didn't see too much there because they were still in the huts, so they won't, sir. Visible. Andi, I wanted to wear ready children in this camp. It wasn't until later that I found out when I saw him. They would be told to keep part about. But one of the old I don't know what I changed over the years, but when I went to the fiftieth anniversary at Belsen itself, one of you children who would be in the camp recognised on That was big. I don't know. I couldn't change that about But it was wonderful for her to see somebody who had actually being there when she was there at the time. She was right and turning Announce it. Locals, Memorial Day. Whatever you I guess you'd say yes. This should have been done much well. I do because things can fade in people's memories and they really the Holocaust and the whole world. Tragedies and even things going on in Africa, all things are all related. Same thing extermination. Not one thing about Belsen which made to serve different, told the others. But they choose that by starvation into a death camp. Got some. This was starvation which can on with supposed to hold something like three four thousand people. There must have been something like about your forty. I just pushed him as Germany was getting small over the Russians on the used to read from the West. Canadians on the West on this have a lot of people are being found. You could move by themselves, put into Trachsel Railway to Bergen and then pushed in. And those and even people from punishments were sent on to Nelson. They must have known exactly what was going on there. I just couldn't move Katniss, because two or three days after being, I went looking around the countryside to see if I could find things like powdered milk or something like that to try and get some food. And I found it. There's a tank Backs, which is about five majors from the camp. There's a forty but working bakery that with something right breakfast cereals. I asked why that have not been used and they said Crom, it'd Here's you know, he will see he was sent from Auschwitz to take on Bill's December January. I think all right, you just I think it's the stock was there. Have the people that it could have done something about. It was by the time crime ago, there was true late for him to do anything. And I think he just had to suffer. You have to take the blame for final plane, but it didn't take, uh, I suppose some courage, but the SS realising that the camp was going to be overrun, come permission from Berlin. But they could hand it over to me. All their army and their army cooperation Williams handed over. It's important fighting for Britain. This is the first time I had seen the Holocaust close to because a ll rest. This is every camp on German soil. All the rest cheques about problems. So there was a boy reported nothing to Britain. But this was the first time we've really seen it firsthand and that the message must be put through the stronger as we can. Thank you very much. Okay. Next What? Hey, over here for your mission. Four. You. Yeah, uh, I want some false. Please, Dad. What here? Looking for lice in their closing Know Americans so that they would take us that easy. Always people. So ideas that would seclude d just dropped. Died, right? You are calling sort. They give easier. When I wouldn't do that, the troops with truth came to the outside. But it's true. A cow shoes. So you see that Sort off. Sam, Please help. Boo! She is so vast. Why no single party former soldiers captured it came to the Soviet soldiers. That first cave. And you, Birdy is more John. There they was like this down here You look more gym clothes. It was very, you know, while similar scars only told you what it means to have the shoes. No, I need God door. But they won't. Only one cell. You mentioned that they know you're going to struggle again. So you you want. But you're ready to have give our own bad man took us in Any other groups that will destroy Billy. Get in, you bitch! For she's so he's a jumped up a lead on Goto. That was part of Belsen too. You can see the deliberations. Yes, yes. You could see that women are better head. What are they from? What country to come Old remain in French. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Indebted you any or all of them was killed before we did. No way. There was nowhere we know Has information like general pretend before. So you said you won't. You liberated towns, villages secret. And they started with this thing for me. Understand? Churchill knows. No, I think they're about Yeah, because torture with Justo is no studies welch here too. No, you go by scoured Where your toes it when you're chewing is now pretty country. So with you Yeah, you don't get the world because yeah, yeah, yeah, it's lead But nobody speaking about that it's very important for future. Okay, so just take your name and destination. My name is Dr Steven Smith. I am the director of the National Holocaust Centre, Steven The Holocaust Memorial Day. A long time coming Fifty five years has gone by since the liberation of the camps For all that time survivors of being bearing the anguish of pain of all of that on we for some reason, somehow lost that into history. This is a very important day. A very important week for us because history is now being re examined is being brought back into our lives not as a distant memory, but it's something that should make us think, perhaps to reflect upon the pain off those times, but also to ask us questions about the society which we have today the morals and values that we hold. So where does this taking sport? Then? We've just come through a century in which over one hundred seventy million people have died as a result of mass death in various forms. We've got one hundred years ahead of us turned this century. I think we need to be thinking What are we going to do to ensure that in future we do not see the repetition of this? Not just to say never again lightly, but decide. And what can we do to ensure that we do not go down this road and that no one anywhere, any time goes through this in the future and it's a fairly recent memories. Well, you're looking at the Wonder Horse here at the centre today. We've got survivors of the Holocaust. We also have survivors from the Rwandan genocide people of my age who lost their children on DH, their husbands and wives, fathers and mothers and brothers. It was not a tribal conflict. It was not a civil war. It was a genocide on the pain that they bear is something we need to hear, too. Because it's not just from another time in place. It's in the heaven. The nap roughly. How much? Good. I can just do it. Okay. The body of you? Yes. How much is it so much in? So you could help me out, Stephen, by just answering another question that we're probably not gonna know what we're not. We won't bother recording it, but just talk to me about the people who got coming in this afternoon. We have got everyone from politicians to teach is tio pupils to military and police and local parish counsellors. District Council start by splinter. Why one think it's important for you? Learn about the genocide in Rwanda and have an expression unless it is you six people prosecuted aboutthe cia or one that's over. Okay. You see Pacquiao about on the explanation Constancy. It's a present for exposes. Show some skin look exposed. Just impacted bodies to up to one it wants love with small posted. Don't get a thank you because and so it is important to include to make such an exhibition and inclusive this kind of work in the exhibition because distance for part of the eastern and for somehow, the that. The aim of that is to be the result of that tendency. That's good. Delusional, I wonder. Set up a small toe because do division, total system mission issue Didn't know Captain too. Yeah, Um, the nineteen eighty four genocide is the result ofthe process of division and off of an ideology that tended to destruction Is a Porto collision about your sash. Exactly. And it's very important for new generations to know what happened so that we can protect me. Um, they can protect us. Could you maybe tell us a little bit about your own experience during genocide? What happened to your family? What? Uh, this fast money Fast. So just be to who? Excuse you. It don't sizzle for J. C. Because they fear circle. Throughout my education, I was already a victim of exclusion. A village of this of this children, I was already afraid. And you already what was being afraid of being a Tutsi that must collect rocks off. They literally see good. It is a victory, for example. Uh, it's cool. I was be aware a little. I've already suffered, um, and was told how to tell you were foreigners in our country? Our they mean. And I was picked up with an example of all this indoctrination of all this ideology that is twelve to wonder. Almost a clinic in it. That activity in the vicinity. You know, Billy too. It could even elevated Michelle in lieu of Gandhi. It's not a mission. It was a few. There's a couple too. Come see, It was a vote from the victim. Sit passively. It is too. Wade. Told you came from? Yeah. Hobby. You work for and wait People in? Yeah. Remove the pier now. Secure Fit My model Several settles. Yeah. K r. Menon Pervy I picked him was I want to look for you or school. They really are nothing. Toe that set up. But what has me most is the silence that has always being around our own suffering. We always cried for help and no one has ever listened to the church. Was there United Nations with their international communiqu there? And no one can tow help. No one. You, my family, you're not a cop. So It was fun. You can't cut off with Preval. Fill me in. It will not to tow missiles from Okay. It will not tow the tree. Survivors of the screening. That's good Coke on seeing the concision vision. Nineteen ninety four when genocide happened You and I had a family had a husband and three children And, uh, she was marriage. Had their own clinic after the genocide. She has lost her husband, her children, a sister, a brother. Everything is being destroyed. So she she dies to say she was born. Identified shows warning was du jour. Qassem killed our victim. Sixty six c. I mean, a play English was peppered of No, it poor don't have insurance. It was not full. I want that in you for insurance. Origin has to be from the prison. She had her life two And the search for the truth go thing too, to say exactly what happened. You know what? At that time, Um, this work is to ensure that children you have a better world, not only in the wonder but elsewhere. The signal's does a parent, the Syrians. You're not dizzy from us, the media, because you're sweating with you one day because you're sweating media Occident. It's so true. I did not ourselves. The political police take big screen. So the silence that was on the cover of Christ for help from the to see people was he worked with being forced by the propaganda and, uh, whether we talked about the media inside Rwanda or the international media they they always supported, originally, always went, followed the into the richest politics at this stage in the early nineteen nineties, Were you aware how bad things were going to get under you, You know? No, no, no. On your scale. Please told wound serving. Everyone knew. No severe preschool. The piano. Not kind of hope you tick at the Rwanda Daddy. That was the scoop. Don't you kill Vergis amid so much off home and no services to who, Ihsan the Gallipoli for school? The philtre. You evaded this parish. They know that this will not do it or never preventable. You're never gonna happen. Well said we knew Wade knew it would come. The nineteen ninety four would come because after the invasion of Europe e f nineteen ninety find your man said he would revenge you would change that. A soldier that tide? Um, front line. And the two people you would be against them that he would turn to. So they were. They were expecting it Any way that would have been a history of persecution against her own people. And they used to be Just get goto two the rules, If you do me a No for me. The note, kid. Their exterior. Juana. Probably all of the intel for her. Enough. What's this on the ocean? Who's it for? CBS? This, uh, to see leaving inside one in the interior could not communicate with their families outside the country. Neither could day with people one. So that was had to be You couldn't speak about them. They couldn't communicate with them. Um, they were saying by the reaching of people leaving Rwanda accomplices off the RPF, leaving most of the mm more elsewhere. The bill. Listen for me. You are home Jasmine in a north since nineteen. Sixty three when he left the family. Open it, open it. And so, um, it was a pattern. They knew they expected it. We're almost taking a continent. It was just storey continuing. Every people don't be. I know it's difficult for you too. Speak about Events immediately. Happened to the sixth of April in nineteen ninety four. Maybe you could tell us a little bit about where you were in an ankle article. What happened to you? Local police. You? I think you know more Sample measure is here with me. Driven on the sponsor Creavy. And you didn't feel Moran shift. Don't dispose. Here is your train era to this world. My scheduled visit me. It'll seize up here only a strong Niele Bliss and jealousy. And she long, long ago was people hold a She she go get in. I'm into it. Hello, Sam. I like you. Very funny. Humadi for Ross would want to parley it causes she started. Did this passage to traditional shape the document? Maybe a passel of women contract should hug out their visa free. Ieremia, is this something that you should be too major? Local nipple. He hasn't called her the clinic. And after to return you immediately home. A few concerns. She went back and as she went back, the world had changed the environment. All the neighbourhood has changed like differently towards her and no one would speak to her, no one would look to her. Um, it was a different. A different world all of a sudden. Washington women much inefficient. Banning Chopin's apart. What is in the past? Okay, okay. For a moment that she had an enemy at that time. Still convinced that she doesn't have any money, she didn't have any more responsive. They could've compound. Come have a book with the pull between. Off Kevin, ISAF explanation with the Monday on tariff Spacey and hookers process when you see people. No, the metal is You met my past Israel. Approve it. Imagine a person prove it to his portion. The clinic was halfway between cities toe land. Last favour. Yeah. Yes. Imagine. Okay, it was there a missile? Marie, a kewpie Alesana Margie, you know very well the court room. It's certainly come side property. It must be said that originally the skin of our darkest here he invited you round the president Marge du accepted. Continue it. Seeing the fear Have you did you did about two a Japan's could appear in Tacoma original seed. I mean against crying gas you because they should have fled the country a long time for this that night and we were aware, predictable side with wood and was being, uh said go. No, only different nipple. You see a movie? He said, Does he? You know, Plymouth Sound the octo mother off sound waves, I'm afraid. My deposit and the firing Maddie Quiet. Me too little Sits no. Sure said nothing so far. If he comes up just roughly of your aunt's in a province of ivory and what we're having for a second Marie for different destructive toe to toe mania control if he opposes. So, uh, her brother came on DH. Anything tohave been crying. Also, they seem preoccupied. And he asked Your Highness daughter on dream to bring a flower and put it into your mind. And I think back to what it wass. He answered to a flower. And then he asked her to blow the flower and she did it. And any after again what is left of the flower and said nothing gone well, so it'll happen to your family, your friends, everyone you know and love You will lose your everyone. You will lose your dignity. You lose your hope but unable to love people stay defence, but you see it coming. Getty, call me anything you want to. It was for me, not for me, for said they're getting make it up or never come on set to Still, they tried to leave with gallery to the city and to leave the country. So our brother decided they should leave a lift with two families, your lenders and landed brother family in the same car left. It was far too late. There were roadblocks everywhere and she had started to kill a You go back home. Should be a time two foot from a bomb work. It's a vision. Your brother turned to her and said, It's the end. It's finished. There's nothing left to be done. And there's only the only we can only wait. And she said, Wait, What? Wait two for death to come. I told you, Don't. Are you crazy? I don't want to die. Um and she still knows that Now I will seeing your brother turn away that car and, um, never seen him again in a local. Most people are pussies. You can see it. Set it off. Luke On the Senate! Enough brute! Force this for a visit. It is our fault. The full extent. Of course, it is a life that post. Come on Matthew, I was told to soothe Mama, having known massacres of that scale, her husband having known it's true that through his life, because of that scale he was. He was he Couldn't I react more? Wasn't able tto more was resigned. Yet she decided they should leave the house and go to the bush. So she she asked him, our children to come...